today the pastor taking the stand in his own defense. joining us are defense lawyers, ted williams and bernie. bernie, first do you, do you think he regrets taking the stand, the pastor tonight? >> in a homicide case you never ever ever ever, i don't know if i'm clear, ever want to call your client. you have to be losing the case so bad at that point that it's the last ditch effort. i don't know if he regrets having the clients on the stand and get off and almost relieved you know what at least i got on the stand and told my story. the way it came out he got caught up and jammed up in very, very bad stuff. >> greta: ted? >> i'm like bernie, never want to put your client on the stand, but this guy may very well have helped himself today on the stand because clearly, what i found troubling is that he was on trial for killing his second wife, but they allowed the judge did, apparently, a lot of testimony to come in concerning the killing of his first wife. and as a result of that. >> greta: that hurts. that hurts. no defense lawyers wants t